How exactly do we know, we know what DevOps is? For episode 46, we sit down with Praxisflow's Kevin Behr (whom you might recognize as one of the authors of the Phoenix Project) and Jabe Bloom to talk about these and other heady questions, including: what can we learn from the Agile community? Where is DevOps headed in the next five years? Who is Frederick Taylor and what does he have to do with DevOps? And what do English coal miners from the 1940s have to do with DevOps? Find out the answers to these and more as we discuss: The Epistemology of DevOps