On this episode Tom Verner and Carlos López sit down to talk about the performance of magic, and how we believe in it's power and how important it's to develop it through the magic learning process. We share our 90-10 motto when it comes to performance and how on our education chapters that is taught. Plus se react to one of magics most recent and memorable performances in magic, Derek del Gaudio's In and of it's self, and for the second part of the show we are joined by Felipe Costa (Pollo) who got the chance to see the show live and in video.