Rob comes from a rough background. Physical abuse, emotional abuse — you name it, he probably experienced it. But overcoming that background and carrying on made Rob a bootstrapper to the core. For this podcast, Rob has perhaps the most famous bootstrapper of them all on as a guest: JD Vance, author of Hillbilly Elegy. JD and Rob had similar upbringings, full of chaos and dysfunction. In a can't-miss conversation, they swap war stories and get deeply personal as they try to uncover the roots of dysfunction in our society — and discuss the role of personal responsibility in conquering such adversity.

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