In this episode about the need for innovation to create a sustainable world, the boys seem to agree that research should be focused on disruptive technologies that can take us beyond just doing less harm. They also seem to agree that taxes should be raised to fund more innovation. Mats argues that researchers should get more freedom and not be forced to develop products that are close to market. This, he claims, could lead to the new type of leaps in innovation that takes us into the new industrial age, whatever it might be.