CONTENT WARNING - In the main segment of this episode, we do lightly discuss themes of suicide. That conversation starts at 35 minutes and ends at around 37 minutes.

We're back with special holiday guest Ben Bortner to talk about something that, oddly enough, isn't a comic book. There are plenty of bits, and a special surprise for those who stick around at the end. Well wishes and happy holidays.

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