Sam Lanfranco is an economist now serving on the governance board of the Internet. Reiner Braun is the Secretary General of the International Peace Bureau. We talk about the vulnerabilities in using and becoming dependent on the Internet, but also on the opportunities still available to us too use it for staying in touch with Russians and carrying on citizen diplomacy. We agree that it may be desirable to make the Internet into a utility controlled by the public. We also agree to try to set up conversations with Russians using Zoom. For the video, audio podcast, transcript and public comments: https://tosavetheworld.ca/episode-474-lets-talk-to-russians .