In Episode 48, Dr Roussel interviews Mr David Contorno, coined by Dave Chase as “One of America’s Most Innovative Insurance Brokers,” about “How to Pick a Benefits Strategist.” In the interview they discuss the financial incentives that keep benefits strategists offering high-cost, low value plans. Beginning with his own story of reform, Mr Contorno elaborates on how and why he left the major carriers to focus on high-value self-funded plans that pair with Direct Primary Care and how other brokers can do the same.