The eponomous producer behind Elliott Smith's Either/Or and editor of Tape Op Magazine shared some of his stories and where he sees the future of recording.

Featuring Music by The Secret Sea, Elliott Smith and Summer Cannibals

The episode was sponsored by Tumbleweed Creative

Gritty Birds is produced by Jeni Wren Stottrup with the support of XRAY.FM. This week's board operator is Dannon Drips. The episode was transcribed by Christina Donaldson.

The episode was transcribed by Christina Donaldson, Amit Erez and Chris Martell.