I talk with the great Chris Jones, the writer and producer of the forthcoming Netflix series "Away," about his profile of the magician Teller. Chris is a two-time National Magazine Award winner and his story on Teller is his all-time favorite, the one he keeps returning to and thinking about, even seven years after Esquire published it. It's about magic and storytelling but mostly the eternal fight between what the brain knows and the heart wants. 

In our time together, Chris and I discuss a lot of books and magic tricks and videos. If you want to see any of them yourself, search my show notes for this episode at https://www.paulkix.com/podcast