In this episode, I’m joined by writer, teacher, and author Stephanie Elizondo Griest for a rich conversation about art, risk, devotion, survival, and what it means to choose creativity again and again.

Stephanie shares the long arc that led to her book Art Above Everything, including the questions that shaped it: What do women artists sacrifice for their work? Has it been worth it? And how do we keep choosing art in a world that often makes that choice feel impossible?

We talk about artist residencies, the women dancers of India who devote their lives to their craft, the difference between creativity and art, and the courage it takes to follow what your soul is asking for. We also talk about healing, cancer, community, intuition, and why art matters so deeply—especially now.

This conversation moved me on a personal level, and I think it will move you too.

We also talk about the upcoming retreat Stephanie is co-leading with Betsy Bertram this fall: Creative Embodiment: Writing and yoga, Women’s Retreat —a retreat that will weave together writing, yoga, meditation, healing, and community in the mountains of western North Carolina.

If you’ve ever wondered what it means to put art first—or how to keep making room for creativity in a hard world—this episode is for you.

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