Catherine Dunphy might have been a nun. Luckily for the world, as she asked tough questions and opened her eyes to the dark machinery of institutional Catholicism, Catherine cast her faith aside. Now she brings her considerable intellect and compassion to the Clergy Project, helping secretly-atheist pastors cope with their impossible situation and begin the process of a transition out. Catherine and I talk about her remarkable journey, how she now helps guide others through theirs, and the deep implications of faith traditions crumbling from the inside. She has a few opinions about Pope Franky, too. Get ready for a fascinating edition of the Obcast. Duration: 88 minutes Subscribe to the Obcast in iTunes or through this link. Links from the show: The Clergy Project website Catherine on Twitter as @CatherineD_tcp​ Jerry DeWitt: "How to Pray if You're an Atheist" Me at Friendly Atheist: "How Revolutionary is Pope Francis, Anyway? " Damon Linker: "Pope Francis versus the Vatican"​ Mary Johnson's book, An Unquenchable Thirst Leah Libresco's post on her conversion ​