This is the second of a two-part episode on violent religious extremism. If you haven't already, listen to  Aku Bukan Mesin - I Am Not a Machine, first.

In this episode, we are looking at how and why people become violent religious extremists, and explore “Everyone Goes to Heaven” - one of the songs Navicula released in response to  a turbulent time in Indonesia’s history.   

We are joined by Sidney Jones, a widely renowned expert on religious extremism and conflict in Indonesia, and Heidi Arbuckle, an expert on tolerance and on the role of music and the arts in creating an informed and tolerant society. 

Hosted by: Ewa Wojkowska

Writing and Production: Ewa Wojkowska, Julia Winterflood, Lakota Moira

Production and sound design: Gede Robi

Co-production: Sergina Loncle, Andre Dananjaya

Mixing and Mastering: Cipta Gunawan, Tude Arta Sedana

All Music: Navicula

Podcast Artwork: Krishna Adipurba

Web design: Jay Sims, Vanessa Harsamto, Fleava, Major Tom

Photography: Penny Lane

Show Notes: https://naviculamusic.com/podcast/