What next for Wales? is a new podcast series from Theo Davies-Lewis, looking at the most important issues in Welsh society in 2021.

In the fifth episode, Theo is joined by former BBC journalist turned writer, Gavin Esler, to discuss his latest book, the Flag Wars that have engulfed the UK, and developments affecting Wales across Britain.

And to keep-up-to-date with the podcast, follow us on Twitter: @whatnext4wales.

This series is available across most podcast mediums – including Soundcloud, Spotify and Apple – so please like and subscribe to receive the next episode automatically.