Episode 5 features an interview with Herbert, an alcoholic in recovery who I first met almost seven years ago during my stay at an inpatient treatment center for addiction and alcoholism. Herbert has a story that will fill your heart with hope.  And, let me just clear this up right now, "Herbert" is not actually Al Franken. It just really sounds like it. Enjoy.  Here are a few links to some things Herbert brought up in the episode... 

Kevin Griffin--Mindfulness and Meditation https://www.kevingriffin.net/ 

Wherever You Go, There You Are--Jon Kabat-Zinn https://www.amazon.com/Wherever-You-There-Are-Mindfulness/dp/1401307787 

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