Knowledge-intensive startups are considered to be key drivers of innovation and have an enormous impact on society. However, they face a unique and complex set of challenges in their growth trajectory. But what are knowledge-intensive startups exactly and how can they scale up in such a challenging and complex landscape? In the fifth episode of our podcast series ''Innovation Ecosystems Unpacked'', find out more about the innovation ecosystem surrounding knowledge-intensive startups and scaleups during an engaging conversation between Chris Eveleens (advisor at AWTI) and Cinzia Silvestri (founder and CEO of Bi/ond), moderated by our director Martin Luxemburg.