CUES is the immediate future, but is the National Outpatient Transformation Programme what comes after that? That's what we try and discover in this podcast presented by LOCSU CEO Richard Whittington. Richard is joined by Zoe Richmond, LOCSU's interim clinical director, and Claire Roberts from NHS England, who is a clinical lead on the NOTP. Zoe works with Claire on the Eye Care Steering Group sharing the experience of LOCSU.