Episode 5 - Pat and Dick joust over the Bob Woodward tapes which leads into a debate on the President's handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Then, a spirited debate on Trump's foreign policy doctrine, with Dick once again calling for Trump to be thrown in jail!

Some key questions are explored in the first debate.  Was it advisable for the President to grant Bob Woodward extensive access or was it, in hind-site, a mistake? Was Woodward out to document history or just pile on more Trump-negativity as the election draws near? And, was the federal government actively fighting the pandemic as the President was trying to keep the nation calm? 

Then, during the foreign policy discussion, Pat expresses support for Trump's American First policy and lauds his administration's work toward Mid-East peace, while Dick questions the President's "cozy relationship" Putin and other dictators.   Listening Time: 32 minutes