In this episode, Josh and Shoshana discuss growing up Jewish in Toronto and their different pathways to becoming anti-Zionist Jews. They also explore what it's like being anti-Zionist Jews in Germany, a nation-state whose stated purpose for existing is to provide unwavering support to Israel. Josh and Shoshana bring intensity, care, and amazing sibling banter to this wide-ranging discussion.

Shoshana Schwebel is a PhD candidate in German Studies at the University of British Columbia.

Josh Schwebel is an artist whose artistic practice stems from a deep need to understand the world through applied questions, coupled with an uninhibited allergy to authority. He does exhibit and publish his work internationally and within Canada with a variety of non-commercial structures, but these engagements are not the benchmarks of his practice. He sustains his relationship with art through a concern for the world as it could be, and in conversation with the work of others who need to engage with their world in similar ways.