In this episode, I join my friend, Ben (a great teacher and all-around wonderful guy), in a conversation about the current state of education. Ben is a high-school science teacher, who values experiments and projects that foster deeper learning in his students, and in this podcast, he discusses not only some of the problems he encounters in his efforts at improving education but also several fascinating ideas about teaching and learning, as well as mobilizing teachers. If you are interested in education, or if you are a teacher, or even if you are a student (and maybe especially if you’re a student), then trust me: you will find this discussion invigorating.