What constitutes abuse? Did Johnny Depp deserve to win his defamation lawsuit against Amber Heard? In this episode, Aya and Josh discuss the reality of domestic abuse/intimate partner violence against the backdrop of the Johnny Depp-Amber Heard defamation trial, characteristics of abuse victims vs. perpetrators, whether men can also be considered victims, healthy vs. toxic reactions to the trial (internet mockery), the #MeToo movement, Cluster B personality disorders (Borderline, Histrionic, Antisocial, Narcissistic), the “narcissist’s prayer,” and wielding mental health as a weapon to discredit DV survivors vs. using diagnoses to explain abusive behavior. [CW // sexual abuse, physical abuse]