After playing in punk bands and writing for the SF Weekly, SFSU graduate and entrepreneur Matt Saincome started the Hard Times. Focusing on indie and DIY culture, the Hard Times making fun of everything from vegans to Juggalos, while it's technology-based offshoot the Hard Drive lampoons gamer culture. We talk about his early years, Matt's philosophy on being straight edge and his new venture, OutVoice. Recorded in his backyard in Pacifica, Matt was candid and very funny, and it was great meeting him. Be sure to pre-order their new book, "The Hard Times: The First 40 Years".

Special Guest: Matt Saincome.