Welcome to the 52nd Episode of the Animal Riot podcast, brought to you by Animal Riot Press. Today, we invite two of our OG crew, Jared Marcel Pollen and Seth Katz--along with David Holllander, the Author of our second title, Anthropica, due to hit the proverbial stands on September 1st. Listen in as we continue a conversation that's woven through several episodes, about the state of the publishing industry, and specifically, how David navigated its turn toward more commercial work. We also take this opportunity to discuss the differences between European and American literature. Best of all, as we speak of such things, you can envisage David wearing what we can only guess were darkly iridescent knock-off Ray-Bans, which we can assure you is in deep contradiction to his normal behavior.