We are joined by Chris Cogswell (@ChrisFCogswell), the new Director of Research for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON). Chris shares with us his vision for how MUFON should approach UFO investigation in the 21st century, taking an approach that looks at both the physical and the metaphysical as possibilities. He also talks with us about his own show, "The Mad Scientist Podcast" (@madscientistpod).