Our guest this Episode is San Fermin's Ellis Ludwig-Leone! We chat about life on the road with the band & coming off the most recent tour supporting The Cormorant I, we chat about the first San Fermin Album, members leaving, keeping a strict writing schedule, writing a Broadway musical, his family, the story behind "The Woods", we talk Metallica, wanting to play pro basketball in high school, starting a metal band at 14, writing songs about girls, collaborating with Allen Tate and the dynamic between them, writing songs for the various members of the band, why he rather not sing, moving to New York and working for Nico Muhly,

and how music is a religious experience all on it's own! Enjoy!