The continuing Covid-19 pandemic is the focus of today's podcast. What could be  its effects on individuals and the global collective? Rose & Christine's far-ranging conversation explores the recent Tablet interview with Pope Francis, entitled "Pope Francis says pandemic can be a 'place of conversion', and David Suzuki's seminal talk "Force of Nature - From Monsters to Economy and Money", where he questions the current social paradigm with its emphasis on profits over people.