Mary and Wyatt sit on the living room floor (long story) and talk about mental and physical pain. Wyatt talks about their recent experience with debilitating neck pain and shares fascinating research about pain management and pain translation. Mary talks about how and where the body holds trauma. Also on the agenda: Mary had a dream that will give you goosebumps, Wyatt swallowed something weird, and poems by Reginald Dwayne Betts and Carl Phillips.