If you aren't a regular reader of Cyber Protection Magazine, shame on you. But this podcast might change your habits. We've created a list of secure messaging apps for you in the accompanying article with this podcast. And because we started with the article instead of the podcast, the details are there. But we decided to call Gerry Kennedy, CEO of Observatory Holdings and get a reality check on our qualifications for the list. He said we were on the right track but got into some detail. Gerry's company advises companies and insurance firms on how to mitigate liability and security is a big focus for them.