In this episode of the Catalyst Podcast, Jason Haynes sits down with Terra & Jeff Mattson for a conversation about how leaders can close the gap between what they say and how they lead. In a world where leaders are under immense pressure, and we hear of new moral failings every day, Jeff & Terra share that integrity is a way of being and not a one-time event. Listen is as they provide some long-term lifestyle changes that will help us become the kind of leader anyone will want to follow. 

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