“Trials aren’t punishment. They’re preparation.”

In this episode, Paul and Joey unpack James 1:2–4 and explore how God uses struggles to shape patience, perseverance, and character.

Paul shares personal stories of cancer, loss, and life’s hardest seasons—showing how those moments weren’t meant to break him, but to refine him. Joey challenges us to shift our perspective and ask:

👉 “What is God building in me through this trial?”

If you’re in the fire right now, this conversation will help you see it’s not there to destroy you—it’s there to transform you.

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