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Mark Zuckerberg renamed his company from Facebook to Meta to signal that he’s all in on building the metaverse—the next-stage internet, betting billions that it will be the next big thing.  Will it meet his expectations, or is it the technological white whale that takes down Meta and all others who pursue it?  Joe and Mark discuss what the metaverse might look like, whether it will live up to its hype, and who might want to spend (too much) time there.