Shelby and Andrew are here to talk about creativity! We discuss how it affects our lives and how we balance being creative with other aspects of our life. Before that, we cover episode 4 of The Last of Us, All Quiet on the Western Front and stick around for cider coming out of someone's nose at the end!

We recorded this episode before Cyclone Gabrielle touched down in New Zealand, causing billions of dollars in damage and taking away many people's homes. While Shelby and Ben (in Napier) are safe, many people are having to put their lives back together from scratch. If you feel so inclined, please donate to the disaster relief fund linked below.

https://www.redcross.org.nz/support-us/our-current-appeals/new-zealand-disaster-fund/