Frank Turner's music features heavily in our #LfE conference playlists.  We find his music inspiring and we were delighted that Frank agreed to record this conversation with us, and record a live version of his song, "Be More Kind" for our #LfE4 conference in October 2021.  In this conversation we discuss the origins of Frank's music, including how the writings of Clive James inspired the song, "Be More Kind".  We also discuss how optimism and hope are embedded in his music, and the role of music in healthcare and helping us deal with trauma.  The conversation was recorded in Frank's garden in the Summer of 2021, so there is some transient wind-noise in the audio (deep rumbling) and the occasional passing insect and aircraft! Some musical references from the conversation: Be More Kind - the live version I refer to in the conversation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_nbdq2ckOw Little Changes official video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjc9UJk2v6w Get it right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlKy9LDUTrA The hymn of the medical oddity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZon7isGNsc Frank's choice of "theme tune": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5jI9I03q8E