Gina Chick and Darren Mara chat about pushing through hopelessness to hook a fish (literally and figuratively), and how the resilience of perimenopausal women often goes unnoticed. Gina reveals how the reality of recording yourself on Alone means surviving with one hand. We ask one of the participants about how their positive mindset is helping them cope in the wilderness and where their resilience comes from. And former Survivor contestant and Alone fan Benjamin Law shares his perspective on the series, and how long he'd last in the wilderness. Warning: This episode contains spoilers for Alone Australia season 2 episode 6. Make sure you've watched it before listening.