Johan talks to his good friend Leo Neves, who lives in São Paulo, the biggest city in South America with a population of over 20 million. With the president of Brazil acting arrogant and ignoring the crisis of the pandemic, Leo explains why the level of uncertainty in the country has suddenly reached a new high point.

They also talk about how the lockdown has effected his life as a business owner, dad and why he’s started to grow plants in his apartment.

Music in this episode: "Hearts" by Wilhelm

https://soundcloud.com/iamwilhelm/the-fire-is-still-burning-hearts