Discussing how the word "modest" has gone from virtue to trigger-word, especially for women, Matt & Nate share their perspective from young adulthood and fatherhood. Matt Hoopes joins to talk about the fire he started on Facebook. Sarai Johnson calls in to speak personally on the matter, which is really nice because the guys feel a little out of their depth.

Matt Hoopes (@matthewhoopes) - Guitar player and founding member of Relient K (www.relientk.com)

Sarai Johnson (@beleannonprofit) - Author, blogger, speaker, activist (http://www.leannonprofit.com/)

Article referenced: http://qideas.org/articles/modesty-i-dont-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/

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