This latest episode features Chicago's own NNAMDI: a musical polymath and DIY legend, known for relentless innovation that's always unpredictable. This hour's equally as unpredictable: we discuss his come-up, the present and future of Sooper, how to survive a crushing musical ecosystem, and how to smile and go outside enough.

NNAMDÏ 's new album, BRAT, is out on April 3. You can grab the Vinyl Me, Please edition of the album over here. The latest single from the album, "Flowers to My Demons," is everywhere now. Stream it here.

Good Convo is Hosted by Michael Penn II

Executive Produced by Amileah Sutliff

Post-Production by Jonah Graber

Original theme song produced by knowsthetime

Art by Caleb Vanden Boom

Recorded at Tightrope in Chicago by Max