In Part 1 of this honest and heartfelt conversation, host Kaleb Hanshaw sits down with his longtime friend Raul Vasquez to peel back the layers of ministry, leadership, and the unseen burdens they often carry. Together, they speak candidly about the weight of religion in ministry, the pain of church hurt, and the complicated call to honor leaders even when they wound us.

This episode challenges the comfort of well-worn roadmaps and invites us into the vulnerable pursuit of something real: faith that isn’t polished for presentation, but forged in struggle, healing, and raw obedience. If you’ve ever wrestled with disappointment in spiritual spaces or longed for authenticity in your calling, this conversation is for you.

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