ALC ChangeMakers Podcast

Episode 6 - Reclaiming Relationship as a Leadership Strategy with Cedar Landsman & Lucien Demaris

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In this rich and reflective episode, Jennifer Sconyers sits down with Cedar Landsman and Lucien Demaris, the visionary co-founders of Relational Uprising, to explore how relational culture can transform organizations from the inside out. Together, they unpack the limitations of individualism in U.S. culture and make a compelling case for centering relationships—within teams, communities, and movements—as a radical and necessary act of change leadership.

Relational Uprising supports mission-driven organizations in building deep connection, mutual understanding, and sustainable team cultures. Their approach is a powerful counter to the transactional norms embedded in dominant systems, and one that honors embodiment, belonging, and collective resilience.

🧭 What You’ll Learn

  • What relational culture really means—and why it's critical for sustainable change
  • How individualism undermines social change work and what we can do instead
  • How somatics and embodied leadership intersect with systems change
  • The role of storytelling and resonance in rebuilding trust and community
  • How Cedar and Lucien work with mission-driven organizations to cultivate collective capacity
  • When organizations should consider relational culture work (hint: it’s not just when there’s a crisis)
  • Why tending to bias and inclusion requires more than a checklist—it requires connection

    • 🧠 Wisdom & Insights

    • “We tend to think of relationships as a side effect of the work. But what if relationships are the work?” —Cedar Landsman
    • “We must tend to the relational aspect of embodiment—it’s essential for protecting our communities and building resilience.” —Lucien Demaris
    • “Isolation is not a resilient state. Leaders thrive when they are well supported.” —Cedar Landsman

      • 💡 Highlights

      • Cedar’s journey from food justice and urban planning into relational systems change
      • Lucien’s background in somatics, wellness, and his critique of disembodied wellness culture
      • How their methodology is different: not plug-and-play, but a deep practice of collective awareness
      • ALC’s swimming pool analogy: shallow, medium, and deep work—and how
      • Relational Uprising fits in Real-life applications across sectors: nonprofits, cooperatives, higher education, and faith communities
      • Why this work is especially important now, amidst DEI backlash, organizational burnout, and social isolation

        • 📆 Upcoming Opportunities

        • Relational Uprising has a residential advanced workshop coming in Fall 2025.
        • A prerequisite intro workshop is required.

          • Join the interest list at relationaluprising.org to be notified when a new intro workshop is scheduled. They’re also hosting a leadership convening focused on the unique challenges in progressive and social justice organizations.

          🔗 Connect with Relational Uprising

          🌐 Website: www.relationaluprising.org

           

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