In this spoiler-free breakdown of chapters 17–18 of A Court of Thorns and Roses, Ariel and Corryn are processing… a lot. These chapters are a shot/chaser combo of fae flirtation and brutal violence.

Ariel shares how much she relates to Feyre’s need to paint the dying wingless faerie while Corryn breaks down the grief-infused soundscape she’d compose for that same moment. We also talk about Tamlin’s emotional shutdown when he can’t save the faerie, and how powerlessness looks very different on him than it does on Feyre.

Plus: we take a detour into the podcast origin story that features excerpts from Ariel’s truly unhinged pitch deck that miraculously convinced Corryn to do this every week.

Whether you’re here for the romance, the trauma, or the existential questions about art and pain: you’re welcome and we’re sorry.

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