Jill re-introduces what Both/And means for survival - not just surviving trauma - surviving life after trauma, pain that won't go away, and accepting that maybe this is as good as it gets. She talks about the man she's never met and fell in love with anyway, why her nervous system won't let go even though her brain knows better, and what it means when accepting breadcrumbs is the only way to keep from starving. For trauma survivors with no support system, survival doesn't always look healthy and that's okay.