What happens when ordinary citizens step into the shadows to catch those who would do unthinkable harm? In this deeply moving episode, I welcomed Mark de Rond, Professor of Organisational Ethnography at Cambridge University - Judge Business School, whose four-year immersion into the world of UK Paedophile hunters is chronicled in his gripping new book, out now, 'Dark Justice: Inside the World of Paedophile Hunters' - Cambridge University Press.

Through bracing honesty and tender compassion, Mark shares what it means to live alongside the hunters—their motives, their traumas, the lines they cross—and the heart-wrenching consequences for those exposed and their families. Together we confront challenging moral questions: Where does justice end and collateral damage begin? Are we as a society prepared to bear witness not just to the crimes, but also to the cost of seeking “dark justice”?

Tune in for a conversation that is as illuminating as it is unsettling, as Mark courageously challenges us to look past easy answers and reckon with the depth of humanity behind every headline.

For clarity this episode contains material of a highly sensitive nature including “child abuse, self harm, paedophilia and homophobia ” that may be triggering for some individuals’.