This week we talk about the Star-Spangled Man with a plan, Captain America. Kate brings us through his history and journey from nationalist war propaganda machine to protector from the American Dream, even when it means he has to drop the flag and shield. With help from special guest Alex, from What We Talk About When We Talk About, the crew looks at Steve Rogers is more than a nation, and really a man of morals and action in a time when we need both. Plus, they talk about Captain America is bigger than Steve and has been a mantle worn by others in order to face American issues and how writers haven't shied away from ugly histories. at almost 80 years old, Captain America matters, but why tho?

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