Whole lotta talkin' about babies in this episode.We are visited by designer and all-around big deal Jason Permenter to discuss getting out of what you don't love and getting into Dungeons & Dragons. And twins.In this episode: Baby talk, Big Spaceship talk, Dungeons & Dragons talk and Joy decides to leave advertising to start her own flower wine birthday company called, "Joy".Eventually there may also be coffee.

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