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This week, we speak to author and journalist David Wallace-Wells about his recent retrospective on the COVID pandemic. With the benefit of a year's perspective, who are the real villains of the pandemic, and how does the persistent ambiguity about the causal factors behind outbreaks obscure blame, and amplify our ability to politicize circumstances beyond our control?

After the interview, Virgil and Brie opine on their dream COVID art, their favorite pandemic flicks, and whether it's appropriate to touch a stranger's puppy.

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Produced by Ben Dalton (@wbend).

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).