In this episode, Chris and Jayson unpack a framework borrowed from futurist Zach Kass to describe three types of people you’ll find on any team: the Gloomer, the Zoomer, and the Bloomer. What started as a philosophical conversation turns into a real-world breakdown of how different mindsets play out inside a CI business. Expect some laughs, a few hard truths, and a surprising number of Saturn references.