Rob Douglas is the founding pastor of Lightshine Church in Thousand Oaks, California. He’s one of the nicest people you'll ever meet, and is the author of the new book The Missional Disciple-Making Handbook.

In part two, we talk about Rob's new book, the church’s call to “innovations of mercy”, and Rob's advice for people taking on something new. And what does a former handbell choir member have in common with someone who spent his teenage years surfing? It's Christ, obviously! And our mutual affection for the innovation Jesus calls us to.