In this episode, the two Matts sing holiday song parodies of wildly different voice qualities, recoil in disgust about how dad bods are in despite both hosts having said bods, sing praises about certain cartoons and their amazing writing, and talk about references and when and how to use them. What is the difference between homage and plagiarism? How much of one story can you reference before it just becomes a rip off? What makes a comedic reference or a dramatic one? How accidentally spot-on was Matt Donald's potshot at a certain director after the influx of bad reviews for their movie out this week despite this episode being recorded weeks earlier? We discuss it all, while referencing the greats of podcasting (except not really) and talk about Joker, Phineas and Ferb, the works of Mel Brooks, and other references that we masterfully use and integrate into our work.

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