We’re excited to share the seventh episode of the Outsider/Insider podcast, co-hosted by Ray Reagans and Ezra Zuckerman Sivan and produced by MIT Sloan School of Management, Kate O’Sullivan executive producer. This is the second of a two-part episode, which features a conversation with Prof. Lily Tsai, the Ford Professor of Political Science at MIT, the Director and Founder of the MIT Governance Lab (MIT GOV/LAB), as well as the immediate past Chair of the MIT Faculty.

This episode was produced and edited by Lucie McCormick, with assistance from Mae May. Audio mixing by Hansdale Hsu. Graphic design by Mimi Phan. Music from Blue Dot Sessions.

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