Grab your charms, your cloaks, and your protection against evil mages and join Renay and Courtney Schafer — author of the adventure fantasy The Whitefire Crossing and its sequel, The Tainted City — as they discuss science fiction and fantasy, genre divides, gender parity, conventions, favorite authors, terrifying mountain trips, and a little fandom history. Download the episode for terrifying anecdotes about eating bugs and deadly falling rocks.

Disclaimer and warning: this episode was recorded five thousand years ago in Internet time and both of us were suffering from the plague.