It's not wrong to want to do well at things. But perfectionism is not the same thing as holiness. And sometimes it can be very far from it. As Rachel continues to discuss the topic with Mary Arnold (Women's Ministry Director of Christian Fellowship Church), they get real and share some stories from their own lives of how they've fought perfectionism in themselves, and observed it in other people. If you're ever tempted to trust in your own powers instead of God, this is the podcast for you.